Custom 17" 1 peice wheel pricing.

[rsdeo]

Lots of talk about wheels for the MK2. Yes there will never be a larger copy of the stock wheel and there are more options out there today than yesterday.

Here is the reality of the cost for a custom designed 17" 1 piece wheel in three different widths and minimum quantities for each.

17x7.5 x50
17x8.5 x100
17x9.5 x50

That's 200 wheels in total. 25 staggered sets for the Ltypes and 25 staggered sets for Ptypes. Made in China to save costs, price landed in the US or Canada in one location is ~$175/per wheel. Equivalent or slightly more pricing than the Rota RB wheels in 17". Slightly more than the ROH wheel from the group buy years ago.

Could be shared with other car types. Celica, RX-7, 240SX and 240/260/280Z models.

[Malloy]

Pic not found! ;)

[rsdeo]

Pic not found! ;)

As always you are so astute.

The design of the wheel would be up to those in the group buy. I suggest mesh or 5 star with a concave face and some lip.

[84ptype]

5 star with a concave face and some lip.

winner...

[Malloy]

I would prob be in if the design is tight!

[hardcore_al]

Yes there will never be a larger copy of the stock wheel



a custom designed 17" 1 piece wheel

wait... am I the only one making a connection here??? :eek4dance:

[turbogoo1]

25 staggered sets for the Ltypes

Thats what Im talking about....

[84ptype]

If its a custom design, how come it couldnt be done in a design similar to ptype stockers...\\
or possibly similar to the starion wheels.

[rsdeo]

Ptype stock wheels in larger sizes would be nice, but out of the question. The wheel design would have to be something that everyone likes, not just MK2 owners. After all 50 owners would have to step up to the cost of ~$700/set. Then there would be design considerations for big brakes and different center bores, etc.

As a side note ROH wheels from the group buy rarely come up for sale. When they do there is no drop in the price from the initial cost or they command a premium.

[SuperSubs]

Would trying to cater this more towards early z-cars and mkII's get a more comfortable interest in simillar offsets? Some of those guys on the nissan Z forums are ready to buy wheels that fit the offset and budget, look at their past group buys. I guess I don't know how simillar staggered wheel offsets are between mkII's and say the 240z's, but at least if these are the main focus cars, there might be more interest in a traditional (old school) 17" wheel design (meshies, concave faces, simple spokes) with sexy lip.
-Mike

[Malloy]

http://www.tunershop.de/felgen/images/borbet-a-gr.jpg

http://www.crazynorwegian.com/Borbet%20C.jpg

http://www.tunershop.de/felgen/images/borbet-t-gr.jpg

[84ptype]

^^^first set is the winner...^^^

[ra24man]

http://www.tunershop.de/felgen/images/borbet-t-gr.jpg
Sign me up...0 offsets front and rear please 17x8.5 and 17x9.5. If I have to give a little make it the fronts...+6...keep 0 in rear. 60.1mm center bore. I'd sign up today if they were available.

[Malloy]

I would go for the 1st set (assuming they clear BBK) then space them out more in the rear and run dorifto stretch...just cause. ;)

[rsdeo]

Good suggestions above. The Borbet Type A wheel is still offered by Borbet in 16x7 and 16x9. Convex wheel centers are a more modern look.

I was thinking a little more old school with a concave center. Wheel shaped as below, but with different designed spokes, less concavity and a more lip. Yes less lip overall, but more clearance for big brakes.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v498/Mookiemadskillz/09012008014.jpg

Or something like the Starion rims.

.http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3160/starion89c0nu.jpg

Sizes, possible offsets and lip.

17x7.5 +15 1" lip
17x8.5 +6 2" lip
17x9.5 +0 3" lip

[spud3861]

Stock p-type design. But with a little extra lip. That is a great price for custom wheels. Surely there are enough people on here. Over 7000 members. How about a poll?

[valzareh]

i would be in if we could get that Starion rim look ...

[rsdeo]

I posted the numbers in the first post as a realistic stab at getting custom wheels made up.

It would be nice after all to have a design that is unique on one hand and suit many older cars to share the total cost. With so many wheels out there now that seem to mimic each other this would be an opportunity to have something tight! as Malloy put it and still look old school, but perhaps with a modern twist. A mix of good aspects in design. Taking into consideration big brakes.

If you look at wheel design over the decades the centers went from a concave or flat shape to this new convex look. That is why I suggested the concave shape. Not too many wheels available new out there with this look these days. I also think the very center of the wheel center where the lugs are has to be round for the four bolt pattern. Not like the Starion wheel with its pentagonal shape.

Maybe people could sharpen their pencils and come up with a design? If you could have a wheel of your own design what would it be? That would be cool.

Again. Can we come up with a design 50 buyers will jump at?

[BillyM]

Stock design, spokes extended out with more lip, accept stock center caps and lug nuts.

...but we'd have to agree on the offsets as well.

(on an aside, those borbetA's are so frigin hot. I heard once that a member owns a set in 17"... Probably lies...)

--billyM

[Malloy]

Word.

raj: If a Starion clone is possible, why not a mk2 clone?


Stock design, centers extended out with more lip, accept stock center caps and lug nuts.

...but we'd have to agree on the offsets as well.

--billyM

[rsdeo]

My apologizes for the misunderstanding on the Starion wheel pic. Not to look like a Starion wheel, but the spoke concave shape was all I was getting at.

It would be nice if we could use existing center caps and lugs as Billy stated. A great idea Billy. Would 50 MK2 owners step up to bat though?

[rsdeo]

...but we'd have to agree on the offsets as well.

--billyM

Agreed. All input would have to be discussed by everyone.

[Malloy]

My apologizes for the misunderstanding on the Starion wheel pic. Not to look like a Starion wheel, but the spoke concave shape was all I was getting at.

It would be nice if we could use existing center caps and lugs as Billy stated. A great idea Billy. Would 50 MK2 owners step up to bat though?

Possibly....the price is right and it seems like you have an option to design something nice. You would have to collect a good bit of the $ in advance, then front the rest. (or run it through a vendor who is in the business of buying inventory ;) If the wheel is tight, I'd have no problem trusting you with a strong deposit.

[BillyM]

What is the quality of chinese-cast alum wheels?

Would the current exchange rate make AUS manufacturers a possibility? ...as I would be much more comfortable getting stuff from well-known wheel manufacturers. (1usd=0.65aud as of march)

What coatings are available? I will likely not buy another clear-coated wheel. I know Alcoa Aluminum has a chemical process that fuses the top layer of aluminum into a near-stainless-steel texture and hardness. Would anything like that be available?

That said, if the price is what you're saying, count me in for two.

--billyM

[Malloy]

For $179 a piece wheels, everything is made in China. $2000 /pc 26s are made in the same factory ;) Konig and similar wheels seem to hold up fine....my largest customer sells them by the truckload and they get very few back.



What is the quality of chinese-cast alum wheels?

Would the current exchange rate make AUS manufacturers a possibility? ...as I would be much more comfortable getting stuff from well-known wheel manufacturers (1usd=0.65aud as of march)

--billyM

[MrTechNIC]

I WILL take a set!
Hard part, getting concessus on style.
Then the waiting game starts.

[ksourounis]

i disagree,
the hardest part will be agreeing on an offset

[SJ85supra]

I need some new shoes depending on the conclusiion we come to I will be in I would def like a five star with a pretty nice lip if its possible and suits everyones needs

[BillyM]

To get what we need, take what Raj would get, and add 5-10mm of offset for the rest of the people in the world...

Lol... but seriously...

--billyM

[yamahamoon]

Lots of talk about wheels for the MK2. Yes there will never be a larger copy of the stock wheel and there are more options out there today than yesterday.

Here is the reality of the cost for a custom designed 17" 1 piece wheel in three different widths and minimum quantities for each.

17x7.5 x50
17x8.5 x100
17x9.5 x50

That's 200 wheels in total. 25 staggered sets for the Ltypes and 25 staggered sets for Ptypes. Made in China to save costs, price landed in the US or Canada in one location is ~$175/per wheel. Equivalent or slightly more pricing than the Rota RB wheels in 17". Slightly more than the ROH wheel from the group buy years ago.

Could be shared with other car types. Celica, RX-7, 240SX and 240/260/280Z models.

I would be up for a set of 17x8.5 front/17x9.5 rear, provided I like the design of course...

[rsdeo]

I never started this thread as an intention to do a group buy. Instead have realistic numbers for costs and quantities.

The ROH group buy took months if not over a year. That was for a wheel already in production, not a new design. There were only 25 people and it was a stretch at the time. Realistically this would take over a year, maybe two. The results would be worth it.

The manufacturer in question makes wheels for other companies that people are using on various cars. If we intend to do a group buy the company would have to be examined with more scrutiny and of course references from who they supply will be key.

The cost per wheel was estimated with shipping and taxes landed in one country. If it is over estimated which is better than under estimated I think it would only be fair to those who purchased the wheels to be refunded some of the funds for the difference. Unless a vendor takes part.

Only one colour to keep costs down, silver. Other finishes will drive the prices too high. If anyone wants a different colour they can powder coat themselves. I could look into it for Billy though. Possibly that stainless coating on the outside lip only.

The wheels could also be ordered as blanks. With no bolt pattern, small center bore (luckily 60.1 on the MK2 is smaller than most cars) and a thicker pad for the hub mount. Then the purchaser can select bolt pattern, center bore and offset within a limit themselves. Unfortunately they themselves would have to get that machining done at their own cost. This would really be out of the question.



To get what we need, take what Raj would get, and add 5-10mm of offset for the rest of the people in the world...

Lol... but seriously...

--billyM

I'm smiling.:thumbsup:

The wheel would have to have exposed lugs and a center cap common to other wheels. Have spoke clearance for wide calipers of big brake kits. Have a center bore of 73mm like the JDM stuff. Again the design should be something out of the ordinary.

[rsdeo]

i disagree,
the hardest part will be agreeing on an offset

I have to agree on this. Some owners have different brake setups changing stock offset.

Possibly

17x7.5 +18
17x8.5 +8
17x9.5 +0

[SlapFunkWarrior]

all i have to say is 17" ptypes FTW!

[Malloy]

17x9.5 +0 may scare folks ;) I plan on adding a 5mm spacer to my 17x9.5 6mm with 255/40 to see if it scrubs.


I have to agree on this. Some owners have different brake setups changing stock offset.

Possibly

17x7.5 +18
17x8.5 +8
17x9.5 +0

[BillyM]

...keep in mind, some people like 275's on their 9.5's.

You can always spacer out a +10mm wheel 10mm's to really flush-up for 255's, but you can't spacer in a 0mm wheel to fit 275's...

--BillyM

[Malloy]

I know, that's why I stated my tire size. :)


...keep in mind, some people like 275's on their 9.5's.

You can always spacer out a +10mm wheel 10mm's to really flush-up for 255's, but you can't spacer in a 0mm wheel to fit 275's...

--BillyM

[jukka]

17" stock style wheels - I'm in for a set!

[spud3861]

Surely the design that will please the most people is the stock p-type design with a bit more lip. As Billy suggested, use of stock centers and center caps with extended spokes would be perfect.

For those of us who have been around for a while, it is clear that a lot of people love the stock p-type design and would like to keep a stock look to their cars, but just want a bigger sized wheel to clear the JK BBK, and some more lip.

$700 for custom wheels is a great deal.

If you build them, they will sell.

[robidunno]

Ok, say we did get the P types made (or whatever style), and the cost was close to what was stated. How many would actually be able and willing to get these knowing that it could/would be a long wait? As stated possibly 1-2 years. Alot of people say that they'd be willing to get things, but when it comes time to put your money where your mouth is, not so many are up to the challenge.
BTW, I would love to have a set too.

[zank]

Id prefer something closer to what CCW has to offer :thumbsup:

http://www.ccwheel.com/files/img/wheel%20profiles/display/wheels/SP18/photo_full_1.jpg

http://www.ccwheel.com/files/img/wheel%20profiles/display/wheels/505a/photo_full_1.jpg


Id love something like this :naughty:

stockers.......i guess i might be in for a set or two if the price stays pretty close to what was mentioned

[Daves2JZGTE]

bean there dun that 17X8.5 @ I forgot

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f62/onedic/MK%20II/9e6b.jpg

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f62/onedic/MK%20II/9789.jpg

now someone on this forum has them

[83restomod]

im down to see some consept designs. wheres our photoshop ppl?

[RedP85]

I've said it in previous threads, I would be in for sure.
1000 upfront if needs to be.
I doubt we could get to 50 though, 25 possibly. IMO

[dmlsupra]

does your prices calculation included the cost of the mold? Because 3 wheels size mean 3 molds.

is it a gravity mold, or low pressure mold? Will they be more wheels produce then sold? I mean. if I brole of of the wheel, is there any way I'll ever e able to get another one? type of paint?

This is a nice idea, but without a design and more infos, it's hard to take a decision. But I'll keep looking for updates, I just ordered a set of centerline, but I would be interested.

But has anyone consider a group buy with centerline? or another one with roh?

[love2smoketires]

Stock p-type design. But with a little extra lip. That is a great price for custom wheels. Surely there are enough people on here. Over 7000 members. How about a poll?
im down with this 17x8.5 17x9.5 I love the stock mkii ptype wheels.

[84ptype]

I think thos wheels posted above would look so hot with gold center and polished lip....

:drool:

[celicabai]

alittle while back i remember seeing a mk2 with stock rims with a lip and 17 inch.. i think photoshop... i was looking for it but i couldn't find it. i remember it looking really friggin hot.

[ray ray]

bean there dun that 17X8.5 @ I forgot

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f62/onedic/MK%20II/9e6b.jpg

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f62/onedic/MK%20II/9789.jpg

now someone on this forum has them


i remember these in the early 90's, i almost bought a set. i ended up with the momo's instead.

my vote goes to the p-types that take stock caps and lugs. i've never studied the difference between offsets...so i'm lost there.

like everyone else, it depends on the financial situation when a gb starts. if i have the sheets i'd be down.

[rsdeo]

I never started this thread as an intention to do a group buy. Instead have realistic numbers for costs and quantities.


Stock p-type design. But with a little extra lip. That is a great price for custom wheels. Surely there are enough people on here. Over 7000 members. How about a poll?


Stock design, spokes extended out with more lip, accept stock center caps and lug nuts.

...but we'd have to agree on the offsets as well.

(on an aside, those borbetA's are so frigin hot. I heard once that a member owns a set in 17"... Probably lies...)

--billyM


all i have to say is 17" ptypes FTW!


17" stock style wheels - I'm in for a set!


Surely the design that will please the most people is the stock p-type design with a bit more lip. As Billy suggested, use of stock centers and center caps with extended spokes would be perfect.

For those of us who have been around for a while, it is clear that a lot of people love the stock p-type design and would like to keep a stock look to their cars, but just want a bigger sized wheel to clear the JK BBK, and some more lip.

$700 for custom wheels is a great deal.

If you build them, they will sell.


Ok, say we did get the P types made (or whatever style), and the cost was close to what was stated. How many would actually be able and willing to get these knowing that it could/would be a long wait? As stated possibly 1-2 years. Alot of people say that they'd be willing to get things, but when it comes time to put your money where your mouth is, not so many are up to the challenge.
BTW, I would love to have a set too.


I think thos wheels posted above would look so hot with gold center and polished lip....

:drool:


alittle while back i remember seeing a mk2 with stock rims with a lip and 17 inch.. i think photoshop... i was looking for it but i couldn't find it. i remember it looking really friggin hot.


i remember these in the early 90's, i almost bought a set. i ended up with the momo's instead.

my vote goes to the p-types that take stock caps and lugs. i've never studied the difference between offsets...so i'm lost there.

like everyone else, it depends on the financial situation when a gb starts. if i have the sheets i'd be down.

No one wants to sit on wheels only designed for one car. Get 50 owners to put the money up front and maybe one of the vendors will go for it.

Sorry 49, because I'm in.

[MrTechNIC]

Just having a bit of fun during lunch time:

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/mrtechnic/Picture2.png
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/mrtechnic/Picture1.png

[83restomod]

some of u guys are too pure. i would not run 16 or 17" p types. ever.


a split spoke design or a 5 spoke FTW

[Malloy]

No smack talk till you fix your current wheel situation ;)


some of u guys are too pure. i would not run 16 or 17" p types. ever.


a split spoke design or a 5 spoke FTW

[83restomod]

No smack talk till you fix your current wheel situation ;)

ouch mike. ouch.

[Malloy]

Haha. If I was rich I would have bought a set for you by now....but I'm not rich. :)

[83restomod]

Haha. If I was rich I would have bought a set for you by now....but I'm not rich. :)

your a good guy. no matter what the other members say behind your back......... hahah


school is taking a toll on my wheel fund but ill get to it sooner or later.

[CLToy]

Interested in seeing how this pans out....I need more tire for my L-type.

[Junaid K]

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww55/Junaid_K/Cars/09012008837.jpg
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww55/Junaid_K/Cars/02012008830.jpg
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww55/Junaid_K/Cars/prod242.jpg
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww55/Junaid_K/Cars/DSCN2953.jpg

Could a set be shipped direct to South Africa at the same price?

[rsdeo]

Just having a bit of fun during lunch time:...
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/mrtechnic/Picture1.png

Very nice work on the second one.


...

Could a set be shipped direct to South Africa at the same price?

Sorry, that would probably not be possible. Last of the problems though.

[MrTechNIC]

Thanks,
It's only really rough sketching at this point. I would draw it all full size and details/bores, grooves but since I don't have any stock wheels, I can't measure up all the specs to start with.
I'm a CAD drafter, but since the whole company I work for switched to CATIA, I try to follow up with sketching on it now, it can be usefull.

last two tries:
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/mrtechnic/Picture3.png
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f78/mrtechnic/Picture4.png

It's totally possible to go custom with keeping some of the key elements of the stocker wheel.

[SylQuebec]

Really nice work... This is what we need, some suggestion. We need to test the water to know what people wants. After we need a poll with a couple of wheel concept or existing copy. I may prefer 1 wheel and vote for a particular model... but i may love an other one and buy the set anyway. I'm trying to explain that we will never get a real consensus on one wheel...but can get them sold anyway. The poll should be ; would you buy this wheel? and not which one do you prefer.

[mkiimaniac]

I'm surprised you guys are such fans of the 5 stars. I have to say I'm REALLY not a fan of the 5 stars at all, although my TRD set has kinda grown on me but I definately would be willing to trade/sell to get a nice set of meshies or the badass super rare old skool type (various) ones from Japan.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e153/mkiimaniac/MK2%207MGTE%20exterior/Mk27m020.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e153/mkiimaniac/MK2%207MGTE%20exterior/Mk27m019.jpg

[Greg G]

maniac.... are you gonna bring that beauty to my NE Meet in a few weeks?

[85supra808]

I'm surprised you guys are such fans of the 5 stars. I have to say I'm REALLY not a fan of the 5 stars at all, although my TRD set has kinda grown on me but I definately would be willing to trade/sell to get a nice set of meshies or the badass super rare old skool type (various) ones from Japan.

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e153/mkiimaniac/MK2%207MGTE%20exterior/Mk27m020.jpg

http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e153/mkiimaniac/MK2%207MGTE%20exterior/Mk27m019.jpg

Very nice!

If your willing to sell that set of TRD rims whats your price and total shipping to 96727?, what size are they?, offset?, will they fit a L-type?, and does it clear the big brake kit?


Thanks

[85midnightsupra]

I'm surprised you guys are such fans of the 5 stars. I have to say I'm REALLY not a fan of the 5 stars at all, although my TRD set has kinda grown on me but I definately would be willing to trade/sell to get a nice set of meshies or the badass super rare old skool type (various) ones from Japan.

How much your lookin to get for those wheels? size/offset?

[Malloy]

maniac.... are you gonna bring that beauty to my NE Meet in a few weeks?

Yes! I cant wait to see that car in person. Looks so hot :)

[jefe_not]

Would this project be easier to do as a 3 piece wheel? Then the only "custom" part would be the main part of the wheel. The hoops would be pretty standard. Offset would also be easier to control since you'd use the same centers for both the L and the P types.

Are there any factories in China churning out 3-piece wheels yet?

Just curious...

[84ptype]

those TRD wheels are teh sex!!!!

[mkiimaniac]

Very nice!

If your willing to sell that set of TRD rims whats your price and total shipping to 96727?, what size are they?, offset?, will they fit a L-type?, and does it clear the big brake kit?


Thanks

Replied




How much your lookin to get for those wheels? size/offset?

Not sure yet...I don't have the set I want so they're not "officially" for sale yet til I find the gold or black deep dish meshies I want (not exactly a priority for me right now either)....I was just makin a point about my opinion.


maniac.... are you gonna bring that beauty to my NE Meet in a few weeks?

Hey where is your meet exactly & when? Got a link or some details for me?
I prolly can't bring the car til she's fixed (rod bearing) but may have it fixed soon even if not I may want to cruise up anyway.

[ray ray]

Hey where is your meet exactly & when? Got a link or some details for me?
I prolly can't bring the car til she's fixed (rod bearing) but may have it fixed soon even if not I may want to cruise up anyway.


http://forums.celicasupra.com/showthread.php?t=46333

start wrenching!

[Denzel]

what about shipping to AUS? im sure a couple down here would be interested

[rsdeo]

Shipping from North America to Australia, Africa or anywhere else is possible. It won't be direct from the manufacturer though.


Would this project be easier to do as a 3 piece wheel? Then the only "custom" part would be the main part of the wheel. The hoops would be pretty standard. Offset would also be easier to control since you'd use the same centers for both the L and the P types.

Are there any factories in China churning out 3-piece wheels yet?

Just curious...

It was asked earlier concerning 3 pce wheels. It would be the best solution to everyone's individual situations. One center design could be cast and then each individual person would have to order hoops locally for the diameter, width and offset they desired.

Things to remember is if make a stock looking Ptype wheel in a larger diameter and width, there will not be massive lip. If the width goes up to 8" the outside lip will only be 0.5" bigger and 9" wheel it will be 1.0" bigger, etc. Also the spokes will be slightly different to clear larger brakes.

I will create and send out a CAD drawing to get pricing. Then we can go from there and gauge interest. No harm or cost in doing that at least.

[spud3861]

I will create and send out a CAD drawing to get pricing. Then we can go from there and gauge interest. No harm or cost in doing that at least.

Great idea. I applaud you for beginning this thread and continuing to follow it through.

I would definitley be in for a larger stock p-type design in 1-piece or 3-piece.

[deaf_rattle]

Great idea. I applaud you for beginning this thread and continuing to follow it through.

I would definitley be in for a larger stock p-type design in 1-piece or 3-piece.

depending on design and price i would be in as well..

[BillyM]

It was asked earlier concerning 3 pce wheels. It would be the best solution to everyone's individual situations. One center design could be cast and then each individual person would have to order hoops locally for the diameter, width and offset they desired.

Things to remember is if make a stock looking Ptype wheel in a larger diameter and width, there will not be massive lip. If the width goes up to 8" the outside lip will only be 0.5" bigger and 9" wheel it will be 1.0" bigger, etc. Also the spokes will be slightly different to clear larger brakes.

I will create and send out a CAD drawing to get pricing. Then we can go from there and gauge interest. No harm or cost in doing that at least.

We could utilize the '85 l-type design, to get more lip-age, while staying true to the style. I would love for someone to get one, and run it through a 3d scanner... The centers should be substantially cheaper to get made, shipped, etc. They will weigh 1/3-1/2 what the wheel weighs, pack 4 in the space of 1 wheel, 2x the order size for one cast, etc... Think we could knock 35% off the price for centers vs wheels?

I would GLADLY pay 50% more for fully rebuildable wheels. ...but I don't know a damn thing about hoop pricing. You're the guru as far as that goes! So, what would a group-run of hoops cost?

[rsdeo]

I would like to keep the total cost of each set as low as possible with a low production run. This will guarantee any thoughts of a group buy to go through. Hoping for 10 sets at $1,000 per set or $250 per wheel. Eight hoops and four centers. A spare center per set just in case? Might be an idea too.

Hoops are expensive. Usually at $125 each, that's $250 per wheel or $1000 per set. I will go to my suppliers and see what I can source at a much more reduced price if we want the whole package at $1000 per set.

Hardware is cheap and the silicone is ~$30 per tube. One tube will do all four wheels. Up to each person in the group buy if there is part. Assembly is really easy.

I will gladly try to help you get close to width and offset that you require through the design of the center and different hoops. The latter is really up to what I can source.

[Supra Ev]

Anyone thought about the WORK Miester style? For anyone on Forza MotorSports 2, look at them I like that style the most. Those that don't, I think this would look very aggressive on a CS. Minor modifications to design such as maybe a bit more dish, and the spokes have less curvature outwards.

http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn382/Crisisrt/Random/workmeister.jpg

Anyways let me know what you think, the pictures are very hard to find, I'll go on forza motorsports take some pictures and upload them, I think the game design work miesters are better.

** Edit, I will find the right picture, as Brian stated. I just have to update the picture once Im on xbox.

[83restomod]

http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn382/Crisisrt/Random/workmeister.jpg .

these would be sooooooooo ugly on a mk2. not a fan at all. stick with thicker spokes bud.

[spud3861]

We could utilize the '85 l-type design, to get more lip-age, while staying true to the style

Yes. That would be the way to do it.

And the 3d scanner idea is preferable, in my view, to trying to recreate the design at home on a 3d program. A really good reproduction of the l-type 15" center with extended spokes to 17".

Oh how I hope this goes ahead :)

[rsdeo]

This looks awesome! Click on the image for larger pic.

http://gallery.celicasupra.com/data/500/medium/3pceMK2.jpg (http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3760/3pcemk2.jpg)

[celicabai]

thats the rims right there..... looks like p-type rims and with lip... search is over.

[ray ray]

those are kinda cool :thumbsup:

i have two wishes, a fast turnaround time...and the money to pay for it! (tires ain't going to be cheap either)

i was showing my car to a friend lastnight, he said "man, you gotta keep those stock wheels!" maybe i can sneek in a set that look the same :sarcasm:

[83restomod]

+1 on those in black with a step lip

[Malloy]

Yes, they are badass. Ill take em with a machined center and stepped lip :)

[dannymk2]

whos going to do the first photoshop of those wheels on a mk2?

[smokeprism]

i'd be down to see that wheel on a mk2. c'mon photochoppers!!

[spud3861]

So, what are those wheels...or is that a photochop?

[rsdeo]

Wheels are for real. Custom center 3pce design.

It is a nice design and shows that the original design can be tweaked, but still look great. It's actually eight spokes equally spaced, unlike the MK2 wheel and round center caps can be used without going too far. Lots of lip, but no room for big calipers though.

[SylQuebec]

After reading the entire post, its easy to realise that the most popular wheel here is THE ORIGINAL MKII WHEEL in 17inch with more lips. A poll should show it well.

[BillyM]

...still don't move me anything like a stock-looking set, and although stock center caps would not NEED to be used, I would prefer that they were.

I think it's good to show the possibilities, but I think it's time we get some real quotes for having some centers made up, and stretch our networking out and see if we can get one of the stockers 3d scanned.

--billyM

[83restomod]

Lots of lip, but no room for big calipers though.

so no Z32 or wilwood calipers?

[spud3861]

BillyM, I fully agree with that approach.

1. Acquire an l-type 15" wheel
2. Acquire some other 3-piece wheel and study how the outer edge is designed to bolt into hoops.
3. Get a high quality 3d scan of both wheels (ask on this forum, surely someone is in that kind of business and can help out)
4. Using a 3d cad program, combine and modify the scanned 3d images into a 17" l-type center (again, ask on the forum, might be someone on here who is in the cad profession).
5. Have one center cnc machined.
6. Bolt the center to the front and rear hubs of a Mk2 that has the JK BBK. Make sure that the center will be compatible with stock center caps and the JK BBK.
7. Send the center to the wheel manufacturer in China to have a mould made and a production run of say 200 centers.
8. Have the black in the grooves added?
9. Accept everyone's thanks for a job well done, that they said would never be done.

If this was done by way of a group buy, might be best to allow people the option of just buying centers now or buying hoops and hardware too. Kind of like the way the BBK group buys were done. Also, might want to allow people the option of buying a 5th center as a spare.

I would happily put some money up front.

[rsdeo]

Quick Photoshop job for comparison.

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/1073/silver.jpg

[smokeprism]

doesn't look as good as i thought it would...looks kinda funny actually haha

[Ryley]

i agree with celicaspud. see if the original rims can be copied as accurately as possible.

if the centres can concave outwards, like the original rims, and like my BBS rims on my supra, it will mean that they will clear most big brakes and retain the stock look.

my current rims= 17x7.5" +0ET.... somewith with concave spokes definately FTW

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3295/devilskitchenwallpaper2td6.jpg

Also, with 5 stud- I wouldn't add any more spokes- I'd keep the original design, but when the centres are scaled up- don't scale the 'centre of the centre'- ie where the hub bolts are.... well, i'll rephrase- it can be scaled up for strength etc, but allow the spacing from the top edge of the spokes to the centre of the rim to grow a bit, meaning the wheel studs don't have to go between the trapezoidal sections of spokes

this would allow room for 5 stud and not interfere with the spokes etc

here is a really dodgy photoshop of what i mean

http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/1403/5studstandardrim.jpg

if people are really keen i can try and CAD this up for people to work with

cheers

Ryley

[Daves2JZGTE]

Im down with the centers only as my next setup will be 17X8@0 and 18x10@0

FTW
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a33/mkii85supra/DavesPhotoChop.jpg

[rsdeo]

Bryan, have all the Z32 and Skyline brakes here. Also JK BBK complete kit. So I can design to fit all if need be.

Ryley, love your BBS rims and it's exactly the kind of thing I was suggesting from the beginning. They just prove that you don't need massive lip to look good. Concave spoke design no matter what center style we go with. Clears big brakes too. Nice Photoshop job, but the center is more like 5x130 pcd, not 5x11.3. You would need a smaller center cap. The stock center cap won't work with 5 bolt.

Dave, always loved the Photoshop of your car with those rims. People, how would we get such a large lip, +2" if we only increase the wheel widths by 1" to 2"? Just do the math, in reality those wheels would be sticking way past the flares with lip like that.

As for the Ltype 15" wheel spoke design. They would never let big brakes clear and the way the center cap sticks out on them looks funny. I know, I've been running a set now for a year. If we want to keep the center cap and clear big brakes the spokes will have to be close to the angle we have on the 14" wheels and 4 bolt only.

Everyone wants something slightly different. We do though all have similar goals, such as big brakes. Reality sucks. It's all about compromise and keeping costs down.

Let's get back to ground one. Put a design together and get pricing. Then go from there. All suggestions are greatly appreciated.

[dannymk2]

Quick Photoshop job for comparison.

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/1073/silver.jpg

photoshop the center black and i think we have a winner in my book! Ryley, your wheels are hot!

[Daves2JZGTE]

Dave, always loved the Photoshop of your car with those rims. People, how would we get such a large lip, +2" if we only increase the wheel widths by 1" to 2"? Just do the math, in reality those wheels would be sticking way past the flares with lip like that.



Um no they wont

I have lets take fronts for example
centerline
16X8@0 = 3" lip
Stock 14x6@+8 (littel over 1/4th inch) = 1.25" lip

so add 2" to = 8 witch will give you 2.25" lip now move to 0 and you will have just over 2.5" lip. Not bad

[rsdeo]

Stock wheels are 14x7 +8 offset. Your Centerlines have a flat faced center, not concave.

As the spokes get longer they go further away from the hub if we go with the concave design of the Ptype wheel.

If you go up to an 8" from 7" width and keep the offset the same on both of +8mm, you will add 0.5" to the outside lip and 0.5" to the inside lip. If we add 1" to the outside lip only the wheel would have an offset of -17 mm at 8" wide.

We will see when I draw up a center and what we can play with.

[Daves2JZGTE]

blaa 14x7 bean so long..... but my centerlines face is stepped out quite a bit to get the flat face..... eather way i like the stock look it all

[ra24man]

I think many of us will agree...the photoshop of Dave's wheels is what the majority of us are looking for.

[Ryley]

Bryan, have all the Z32 and Skyline brakes here. Also JK BBK complete kit. So I can design to fit all if need be.

Ryley, love your BBS rims and it's exactly the kind of thing I was suggesting from the beginning. They just prove that you don't need massive lip to look good. Concave spoke design no matter what center style we go with. Clears big brakes too. Nice Photoshop job, but the center is more like 5x130 pcd, not 5x11.3. You would need a smaller center cap. The stock center cap won't work with 5 bolt.

Dave, always loved the Photoshop of your car with those rims. People, how would we get such a large lip, +2" if we only increase the wheel widths by 1" to 2"? Just do the math, in reality those wheels would be sticking way past the flares with lip like that.

As for the Ltype 15" wheel spoke design. They would never let big brakes clear and the way the center cap sticks out on them looks funny. I know, I've been running a set now for a year. If we want to keep the center cap and clear big brakes the spokes will have to be close to the angle we have on the 14" wheels and 4 bolt only.

Everyone wants something slightly different. We do though all have similar goals, such as big brakes. Reality sucks. It's all about compromise and keeping costs down.

Let's get back to ground one. Put a design together and get pricing. Then go from there. All suggestions are greatly appreciated.


sounds great man. im happy to ditch centrecaps/ change wheel mounting design if i can get almost exact replicas of the stock wheel centres but in 5 stud... the proportionality and number of 'trapezoidal spokes' is the most important thing for me

i am running z32 calipers on 330mm rotors so hopefully they fit over them as well....

if i can help with any cad drawings / stress / strength analysis or other engineering issues let me know :)

[ray ray]

maybe someone could do a side view-cross section drawing that shows the rotir, caliper, wheel lip, etc to get a better idea of how it fits with everything in place? just a thought.

while folks are toying with cad drawings, how about seeing what the p-type design looks like convexed instead concaved? (i think i'm using the correct terminology). might look like ass....but would be interesting to try.

[celicabai]

Im down with the centers only as my next setup will be 17X8@0 and 18x10@0

FTW
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a33/mkii85supra/DavesPhotoChop.jpg

this looks ...WOW. a set looking like that....i'm in.

[SylQuebec]

DAve Photoshop: This is exactly what my brain was thinking about a perfect mkII wheel. Technically, the wheel maybe need a little less lips to fit the mk2 but 1/2 less lip will not be a problem on that wheel. It will look hot anyway. I can't wait... We need a consensus now to start making a design.

[rsdeo]

Convex center on the Ptype design would look terrible. Cost as always is a key factor and to keep costs down there would be only one mold. As a very small minority are 5 bolt the center would only be 4 bolt. Also most want to use the stock center cap. It will be a compromise.

The Photoshop of Dave's car looks great, but will not clear big brakes. Also they look 15" diameter at most.

My first quote was for a total of 200 wheels. If the numbers shrink slightly the cost will soar. Would people still be interested if each center cost $175? That's the reality we may face. Even if we finally go with a design everyone likes will people put money up front for something that may take months to complete?

[BillyM]

Issue in the photoshop of Dave's car is that it would be ~ a -30mm offset. It looks nice, sure, but it won't work.

We know the angle of the 14x7 would make the wheels lipless or cause problematic brake clearance due to a flat mounting pad. We know that is not preferable, so lets move past that. We will likely have to create the centers based off the 15" l-type wheel, which is fine. The rake of the spokes is not what makes the wheel, it's the design, and contrast of the machined face and cast sides and center.

One thing to note is casting has come a long way since 1982, and the spokes will not be required to be nearly as thick, for example my rota's spokes have 1/2 the cross section as the stock mk2's. and are probably easily as strong.

There is a simple way to measure brake clearance needed. Take a piece of cardboard, lay its edge flat against the hub surface, and trace or cut such that it clears the bore and the brake caliper when spun. I will do the Q45 if someone else can get the big-brake and 300zx. I think that ought to cover all bases well enough. We are concerned with A, F, and G...

https://www.rsracing.com/images/tech-wheelfit2.gif

A. Caliper Overhang Distance
Used to determine if wheel dish is adequate (in some cases a spacer is required for clearance)
B. Diameter of Hub Center
Required if wheels are hub centric
C. Wheel Stud Diameter
Required along with bolt circle
D. Height of Hub Center
E. Length of Lug and Thread Type (Fine or Coarse)
Required to determine if longer studs are necessary
F. Distance from CL of Hub to Caliper
Used with A to determine if a spacer is required for proper fitment
G. Width of Caliper
Used with F to determine if wheel ID is adequate to clear rotor/caliper package
H. Diameter of Hub Mounting Face
Used to determine if hub is adequate to support wheel/spacer

Diagram and info stolen from RSRRacing.com (thanks!)

--billyM

[Malloy]

I also think an exact replica of the ptype wheel with the small lip simply scaled to 16x8" would look awesome. (and it would give clearance for BBK right?)

[mkiimaniac]

+1 for the bigger stock wheel (prefer 16" with biggest lip possible)

IMO would HAVE to be chrome to look badass, espcially with a nice lip.....mmmm.....my pants are getting tight:naughty:

[jdk_ii]

:badger:

Scanning - Obtaining a solid model from a 3D scan Mk2 wheel is much easier
now. Several CAD systems can take this model expanding/stretching to
target size. This will show how the spokes will slightly flatten their angle to
match a 8" width.

BBK - Easy way to describe this. Take a 16" wheel that has a completely flat
inside. Then add a 1" wheel spacer. Then the inside max diameter clearance.

The issue is the inside angle of the MK2 repro wheel design. I still have my
prototype setup available. For anyone who remembers it, it was a "neat"
prototype. I can easily confirm once a design is drafted.

It's an interesting time to investigate a project like this. There's enough mfg
companies worldwide are sitting near idle. Even in the US. I even got a call
from a company that kept my info from years ago and said they relaxed their
1 trillion minimum quantity.

[Supra GTR]

Keep in mind the location of the drop center. A 16"wheel with a standard drop center may not clear a lot of the larger BBKs. It will hav a 15"center. A 17"with a drop center will have a 16"center.. etc.

[zank]

Keep in mind the location of the drop center. A 16"wheel with a standard drop center may not clear a lot of the larger BBKs. It will hav a 15"center. A 17"with a drop center will have a 16"center.. etc.

Thats why we should go with a 18" wheel ;)

[Austin E]

Thats why we should go with a 18" wheel ;)

Never, complete udder fail, it would never sell, would look stupid imo, and just, wouldn't work, no one wants a 18" wheel on such a little car, except you, i think.

[zank]

Never, complete udder fail, it would never sell, would look stupid imo, and just, wouldn't work, no one wants a 18" wheel on such a little car, except you, i think.

opinions are like assholes, everyone has one......so keep your asshole to yourself ;)

[Junaid K]

http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww55/Junaid_K/Cars/26022008886.jpg
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww55/Junaid_K/Cars/26022008887.jpg
http://i705.photobucket.com/albums/ww55/Junaid_K/Cars/26022008889.jpg

These are 18" & I think they look just fine. One thing to consider is that a wheel with a lip looks smaller than a flat wheel of the same size. Just an optical illusion. This is why I went with 18" & a lip, so now the wheel looks smaller but not out of proportion with the car.

[deaf_rattle]

These are 18" & I think they look just fine. One thing to consider is that a wheel with a lip looks smaller than a flat wheel of the same size. Just an optical illusion. This is why I went with 18" & a lip, so now the wheel looks smaller but not out of proportion with the car.

width, offset and tyre size please?

[ray ray]

These are 18" & I think they look just fine. One thing to consider is that a wheel with a lip looks smaller than a flat wheel of the same size. Just an optical illusion. This is why I went with 18" & a lip, so now the wheel looks smaller but not out of proportion with the car.


ok, maybe the p-type won't work as a convexed design, but something else might? i see all the vw's and other fwd cars with lip from this style. but my vote is still for 17"

[Junaid K]

[QUOTE=deaf_rattle;559378]width, offset and tyre size please?[/QUOTE

These wheels are onn with adaptors. I can't remember exactly, but I think they are 5x114, 35 offset, 8J, 225/40/18 front & 235/40/18 rear. I do intend widening the rims & decreasing the width of the adaptors to accomodate 255/35/18 rear & 235/40/18 front.

[83restomod]

this is why nothing happens with these ideas online, ppl get off topic and start bull sh*tting about nonsence. obviously 17s are the way to go for many reasons. thats one issue solved. lets keep this going in a productive direction.

[BillyM]

We know 17" is the way to go.
We have come to the conclusion that won't get the numbers needed for one-piece wheels, as too many people have different offset requirements.
We see that the stock design is most-loved, but the spoke angle of he 14x7 will not work with a larger-diameter 3-piece, so the 15" p-type clone will likely have to be used.

-We need someone to open communication with a wheel caster to get centers quoted.
-We need someone to open communication with a hoop manufacturer.
-We need someone to get a hold of a 15" wheel and have it modeled.

I think it is time for a vendor to step in and get their groove-on...

--billyM

[83restomod]

thats what im talking about Billy. :thumbsup:

[jdk_ii]

We know 17" is the way to go.
We have come to the conclusion that won't get the numbers needed for one-piece wheels, as too many people have different offset requirements.
We see that the stock design is most-loved, but the spoke angle of he 14x7 will not work with a larger-diameter 3-piece, so the 15" p-type clone will likely have to be used.

-We need someone to open communication with a wheel caster to get centers quoted.
-We need someone to open communication with a hoop manufacturer.
-We need someone to get a hold of a 15" wheel and have it modeled.

I think it is time for a vendor to step in and get their groove-on...

--billyM

- There's a few wheel casters here in the states. It's worth asking.
I think Raj and myself have likely similar notes on who's who. ;-)

- One big hoop mfg here in the US Raj and I know of. Then several smaller ones.
The big company was "talking" about rim halfs for 3 piece setups.
Not sure if that materialized.

- The 15" is flatter, so easier to scale up in diameter.

It would be nice for a vendor to step in. It is a sizeable project to manage.

Given some projects I've dealt with, I think it would be best to find one
central source to handle the wheels soup to cashews.

Even at $1000/set, this would be a deal of a lifetime for a MK2 geek.

[SylQuebec]

I Hope this thread wll stay alive...An official vendor should take the lead.

[MrTechNIC]

Vendor or not, I will purchase a set.
At this point what interests me is getting the specs right.
Then if it`s only to get someone to set the deal up,
I wouldn`t mind making it happen (get the people in, get the funds and arrangements for shipping, updates and delivery dates....and the such).
Make it clear what we are after and it will be done!!!
I don`t know enough about wheels and am not geek enough to want to know everything on the subject to do this all on my own....so like I said, get it together and we shall see!!!

Oh and it is going to be 17" inch wheels, p-type looking...the rest you guys decide!

[rsdeo]

I'm going to be a little selfish and say the centers will be a diameter of 15". With the hoop mounting holes being a diameter of 14". For 16" and up wheels. Flat lip for 16" and stepped lip for 17"+. The centers will be 1" larger than the centers on the 16" Compomotive wheels that cleared Jim's awesome BBK as shown below.

http://www.celicasupra.com/images/BigBrakes.jpg

So the outside 17" hoops will hopefully look something like this.

http://www.kodiakracingwheels.com/images/2inchpolishedoutershell.jpg

Also the mounting point on the center for the hoops will have a design to facilitate the mounting of the hoops in front or behind. Giving greater play with offset and a different look each person may desire.

Jim said it best.

Even at $1000/set, this would be a deal of a lifetime for a MK2 geek.

I want a set for my minty '85.

[rsdeo]

Finally got a chance to contact a supplier for the hoops and it doesn't look good in that direction. He did have a left over supply of 17" hoops, but someone stole all the inner hoops. He just has outer 17" hoops in limited widths now.

18" inner and outer hoops are available, but again only in limited quantities. The inner hoops were 7" to 9.0" wide. 30 of the 7" inner hoops available.

$50 per 18" hoop and they may or may not need light machining.

[BuddyJ]

Surely there are multiple hoop suppliers out there?

Whoever does this, please make it work with both the JKBBK and the Nissan 300ZX upgrade. If it'll work with the Nissan upgrade, I'm in fo sho. Even at $2k/set. This, combined with the availability of trim pieces, would be the best thing that could happen for Mk2s.

[rsdeo]

Just trying to keep costs down. $50 per hoop is better than $125. We can try other suppliers.

[dmlsupra]

I just spoke with my contact in China for wheels.... obviously, mold cost is an issue.

If we would go with a gravity mold wheels, cost would be 1100-1200 a set if we order 25 sets. Size would be 17x8 and 17x9 Style similar to the P-type wheel design. Bigger lip and spoke a bit different to clear bbk.

50 sets, price would be 900 or less. But I doubt that we could do this, even 25 seems a strech to me.

No profit is calculate in those prices, just prices, aprox shipping, duties, etc...

Wheels from a gravity mold (higher quality then a wheel from a gravity mold) would be way to high to consider... at that price, we would be better off doing a group buy with compomotive.

Maybe a group buy with ROH would be the way to go, if we can all agree on a style.

[rsdeo]

Similar pricing to what I found and posted on the first post of this thread.

Are we getting in over our heads here? Would 25 to 50 buyers ante up? Why I suggested a neutral design so we could share the cost with other car enthusiasts. Wider versions of Ryley's would be cool.

My supplier did give me the contact info of a US magnesium and aluminum castings company that we could get a quote from.

Also Canada and the EU are talking about a Free Trade deal. Could help with a Compomotive group buy.

[RedP85]

we could only share with the celica gts group !

Personnally, i'm pretty much only interested in the P type look, but that is me.

[dannymk2]

as much as i would love to see this get done, i dont think it will. i hate to be mr. negativity but its the sad truth. just from what ive been seeing lately with the possibility of custom parts being made and not enough people being able to agree or willing to shell out the cash in order to get it done. but, prove me wrong guys.


i have some questions though. will staggered sets be available (ie 17x8 fronts and 17x9 rears) or would we all have to agree on one width? will a prototype set be made in order to test fit on a car or would we be buying based on a CAD drawing and/or photoshop picture? i for one would love a 17" stock style wheel with a nice lip, but a young college kid, its hard shelling out $1k on something. im sure i could come up with the money though, but it would be nice to see an example on a car. helps to visualize things better, at least for me.

[BillyM]

...no-one is going to agree on sizes/offsets enough for 50-100 sets...

I'm with Jim on what needs to happen, one location would be best...

3-piece or bust...

---billyM

[dmlsupra]

what do we do now? I suggest that we start a poll to see who's in and who's not, then we could see our option depending on how many are ready to buy.

Personnally, I just bought a set of centerline, so I wouldn't buy another sets of wheels now, but I would in a few months if we have a group buy for something nice.

[SylQuebec]

Do It! Do It!

[RaptorRacing]

It would be nice for a vendor to step in. It is a sizeable project to manage.



I Hope this thread wll stay alive...An official vendor should take the lead.

Guys, maybe i'm just too pessimistic but I don't see this working with a vendor stepping up. I could be wrong so just speaking for myself; but for a vendor to be involved you're looking at increased pricing. I have so many projects to put my time and money into; now if I focuses my resouces on this obviously it would need to be worth my while; and that my friends bring the costs up; which brings numbers down; which brings costs up...I'm sure you see where I'm going with this.

Now if you're talking about a BIG vendor who is able to stock these that's TOTALLY different and I 100% agree. Again I could be wrong but I would hazard to guess it would be quite difficult to find a vendor that would put their own money into this project.

I'm NOT trying to rain on anyones parade; I'm merely suggesting that unless I'm reading things wrong I don't see a vendor helping with this unless they have a personal interest in these and want to stock a dozen sets. In the past I would have ; but I've tried the whole stocking rims thing and its just not worth considering the amount of storage space they take up. If one of you guys ran with it; you can make it a non-profit group buy.

I've been keeping my eye on this thread for a while banging my head against the wall trying to figure out a way to help. I have my own contacts in China and have secured similar pricing; but if I'm going to run with it obviously some profit needs to be factored into the equation. Not only that I would personally need ALL the money up front before the mold is even broken as I wouldn't want to take any chances with people jumping off the boat before the product has arrived; I've had that happen with other group buys and it just increases cost as I now have to finance that returned purchase.


what do we do now? I suggest that we start a poll to see who's in and who's not, then we could see our option depending on how many are ready to buy..

You can do that; just make sure that right off the bat you scratch 50% of the people off the poll.

I really didn't want to post this but felt as one of the vendors of this forum I would share my opinion on it. Believe me; more than anyone I want 17" P-Type wheels. I've looked into it many times and have even talked to China and Braid about it...in the end the conclusion = not worth it without SOLID PAID numbers. That means you're paying for a product and months and months later you'll get to finally get it. If someone wanted to run it as a non-profit group buy you might have better odds just keep the following in mind:

* You're going to spend WAY more time running the group buy than you think you are. Answering question; calculating shipping; shipping; after sales support; dealing with lost/broken shipments; etc etc.
* What do you do with lost; broken; damaged shipments. Who will pay for the damage and deal with the BS?
* What if there are some manufacturing defects/miscalculations etc...are you prepared to deal with the 20 emails a day from people asking you what the update is?
* Do you have an accurate way of calculating shipping; shipping supplies; and all the other necessary misc fees to get the product from one location to another.

Again...these are just my thought...right or wrong. If someone has an ideas on how I or any vendor can help you all know how to reach me. I'd love to see this come through and am perfectly willing to help; unfortunately putting $1 into this is just not an option for me right now with all the other new products I'm working on this year.

Cheers guys...keep the ideas coming.

[rsdeo]

...If someone wanted to run it as a non-profit group buy you might have better odds just keep the following in mind:

* You're going to spend WAY more time running the group buy than you think you are. Answering question; calculating shipping; shipping; after sales support; dealing with lost/broken shipments; etc etc.
* What do you do with lost; broken; damaged shipments. Who will pay for the damage and deal with the BS?
* What if there are some manufacturing defects/miscalculations etc...are you prepared to deal with the 20 emails a day from people asking you what the update is?
* Do you have an accurate way of calculating shipping; shipping supplies; and all the other necessary misc fees to get the product from one location to another...

George, you couldn't have said it better.

50 members put up $1500 each. After the wheels are shipped whatever money is left we split equally.

[Malloy]

George, you couldn't have said it better.

50 members put up $1500 each. After the wheels are shipped whatever money is left we split equally.

http://www.wisebread.com/files/fruganomics/wisebread_imce/Hell_freezing_over.jpg

[rsdeo]

So true, but no vendor here or anywhere would sit on rims only really designed for one or two (Celica as well) model cars.

[Donn29]

http://www.wisebread.com/files/fruganomics/wisebread_imce/Hell_freezing_over.jpg

x2 for 50*1500

Christ that $75 000 in RIMS! I am now against this bloody thread.

Think about it, you want to send how much money to China? GOOD LORD

[dmlsupra]

If we want wheels, I think the best way to go would be with an existing US compagny... Forget about the P-type wheels, and just go with something like compomotive, centerlines, boze alloys and just try to get a discount with a larger purchase...

[rsdeo]

x2 for 50*1500

Christ that $75 000 in RIMS! I am now against this bloody thread.

Think about it, you want to send how much money to China? GOOD LORD

I totally understand Donn. We do it everyday though. Try to find things made in North America, where were your cars built? Still not in the US or Canada.

200 rims are a limited run. Money up front and whatever is left over we all split. It sucks, but who will front all the money? I'm happily mortgage free and I won't dip into my retirement funds, will anyone else? No vendor so cost and risk would have to be split.

Again, I never started this thread for a group buy, just realistic costs.

I'm still interested in getting a quote on centers only. One mold means less costs. Maybe in the next two weeks. Busy with school and exams.

[Donn29]

I may have been a bit over the top I guess... Just doesn't seem right with the current economy. Plus I didn't buy the car new, heh. But lets avoid that discussion!

[rsdeo]

I may have been a bit over the top I guess... Just doesn't seem right with the current economy. Plus I didn't buy the car new, heh. But lets avoid that discussion!

Donn. You didn't go over the top. You were right on. Unfortunately it is the reality of the situation and it sucks.

[dmlsupra]

so... nothing much happening over here.... what about we do a group buy... maybe centerlines or zeforged.com??

centerlines already confirm that they are able to provide us a discount, they just need an idea of how many we order.

[SylQuebec]

I will be in for a set of centerline thruster. This is the time for us canadian with the stronger dollars. $$
http://centerlinewheels.com/wheel_deals_list.php

[SylQuebec]

Someone can call them to know what kind of price we could get for 10 or 20 wheels?? I suck in engligh at the phone. Too much accent i think :)

[mk2-1jz]

Quick Photoshop job for comparison.

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/1073/silver.jpg

lol thats my car, drop it like it is now and those could work

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm248/mk2-1jz/drop.jpg

I think this chop gives it more justice


http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm248/mk2-1jz/SuprainLaprairiewheels.jpg

or with some more dish in the back. I'd rock those in gunmetal

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm248/mk2-1jz/SuprainLaprairiedish.jpg

[MrTechNIC]

^^^ +1

[ray ray]

I will be in for a set of centerline thruster. This is the time for us canadian with the stronger dollars. $$
http://centerlinewheels.com/wheel_deals_list.php

thrusters and venturas would look hot on a mk2. (in the custom billit section)

[Malloy]

thrusters and venturas would look hot on a mk2. (in the custom billit section)

Both are on members cars here on CS. Daves2jzgte and a few others gave em

[ray ray]

searched and found...thanks mike!

[Supra GTR]

Guys, maybe i'm just too pessimistic but I don't see this working with a vendor stepping up. I could be wrong so just speaking for myself; but for a vendor to be involved you're looking at increased pricing. I have so many projects to put my time and money into; now if I focuses my resouces on this obviously it would need to be worth my while; and that my friends bring the costs up; which brings numbers down; which brings costs up...I'm sure you see where I'm going with this.

Now if you're talking about a BIG vendor who is able to stock these that's TOTALLY different and I 100% agree. Again I could be wrong but I would hazard to guess it would be quite difficult to find a vendor that would put their own money into this project.

I'm NOT trying to rain on anyones parade; I'm merely suggesting that unless I'm reading things wrong I don't see a vendor helping with this unless they have a personal interest in these and want to stock a dozen sets. In the past I would have ; but I've tried the whole stocking rims thing and its just not worth considering the amount of storage space they take up. If one of you guys ran with it; you can make it a non-profit group buy.

I've been keeping my eye on this thread for a while banging my head against the wall trying to figure out a way to help. I have my own contacts in China and have secured similar pricing; but if I'm going to run with it obviously some profit needs to be factored into the equation. Not only that I would personally need ALL the money up front before the mold is even broken as I wouldn't want to take any chances with people jumping off the boat before the product has arrived; I've had that happen with other group buys and it just increases cost as I now have to finance that returned purchase.



You can do that; just make sure that right off the bat you scratch 50% of the people off the poll.

I really didn't want to post this but felt as one of the vendors of this forum I would share my opinion on it. Believe me; more than anyone I want 17" P-Type wheels. I've looked into it many times and have even talked to China and Braid about it...in the end the conclusion = not worth it without SOLID PAID numbers. That means you're paying for a product and months and months later you'll get to finally get it. If someone wanted to run it as a non-profit group buy you might have better odds just keep the following in mind:

* You're going to spend WAY more time running the group buy than you think you are. Answering question; calculating shipping; shipping; after sales support; dealing with lost/broken shipments; etc etc.
* What do you do with lost; broken; damaged shipments. Who will pay for the damage and deal with the BS?
* What if there are some manufacturing defects/miscalculations etc...are you prepared to deal with the 20 emails a day from people asking you what the update is?
* Do you have an accurate way of calculating shipping; shipping supplies; and all the other necessary misc fees to get the product from one location to another.

Again...these are just my thought...right or wrong. If someone has an ideas on how I or any vendor can help you all know how to reach me. I'd love to see this come through and am perfectly willing to help; unfortunately putting $1 into this is just not an option for me right now with all the other new products I'm working on this year.

Cheers guys...keep the ideas coming.


BTDT. And George, you're within the x-spot in terms of the amount of effort involved on the part of the vendor.

When I did the ROH Snyper group buy, I had at least 2 other people to help me with payment processing and shipping. It was our jobs to sell wheels. We knew what average shipping rates would be. UPS stopped by everyday to pick up wheels. We even gave the extra convenience of mounting and balancing tires. We accepted major credit cards for direct payment. I can't imagine someone doing this in their spare time out of their garage. Their S.O. would kill them. Non-profit? :zzzzz: Too much work for absolutely no benefit.

Considering it was only a sub $700 set of wheels, it was still a little difficult to get people to commit. Sometimes I think I should have ordered at least 10 more sets. But in reality, we sat on several sets for a while.

I've talked about 3 piece wheels for a niche market many times over. It's one thing if everyone here was a loaded collector. We have people with limited budgets. To me $1500 for a set of 17"3-piece wheels is a bargain. For others it's a major investment.

[SylQuebec]

I ask centerline for price for custom billet wheels. 16x8 4.5 basckspacing (0 offset)
Centerline Thruster :

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll208/sylquebec/SILV1120070058.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll208/sylquebec/jay800.jpg

Centerline Ventura:

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll208/sylquebec/1-7.jpg

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll208/sylquebec/1-4.jpg

They quote me at $230/wheel for 10 set and $220/wheel for 20 set. Shipping around $20 but they said they can help us a little bit more on this.
Canada shipping is 40$ per wheel. They also said that price will go up at the end of june!!

I wish i could pay $880/set for these really hot wheel.

[SupraGuy31]

Thats about the right price for them. When I bought my Centerline Saharas they were $856 Shipped.

Robert

[SylQuebec]

Thats about the right price for them. When I bought my Centerline Saharas they were $856 Shipped.

Robert

How many years ago?

[SupraGuy31]

About 2 1/2

[johnh7]

What happend to the whole idea of getting the P-type rims re-designed to 17x8" or even 16x8"?? I would totaly go for a set of 5 rims.

[dannymk2]

What happend to the whole idea of getting the P-type rims re-designed to 17x8" or even 16x8"?? I would totaly go for a set of 5 rims.

1) getting enough people to actually commit
2) getting everyone to agree on a design/size/offset


its a good thought, but i really dont see it happening.

[johnh7]

ok easy fix, how many ppl have stock p-type rims?

you get everybody with stock p-type rims that like them and we do them exactly the same but in 16" or 17" x8 but exactly the same as stock...

problem solved that would be around... i dono... atleast 500 ppl, so that would make them cheap, how hard is that...???

[turbogoo1]

Not everyone likes the P-type rim, some prefer making their cars the way they want.

Me? Would I buy a set....possibly. Not for my car, but maybe the wifes. But with all the "cheap" combos out there....its not likely.

[dannymk2]

500 people? youll have a hard enough time getting 50 people, hell even 25 people. you have to remember, this isnt like making a custom intake where it fits all 5m's, for example. everyone is going to have a difference taste when it comes to size and offset. p-types and l-tpyes are going to require two difference rims. people paying for custom wheels are not going to want to deal with spacers. the only way i see something like this happening is if we were to go with a multi piece wheel, and design a center, and leave the hoops to the buyer to determine width and offset.

plus theres the fact that at lest 60% of the people who say they are interested in this, will back out once they hear the final price.

[spud3861]

I think that if a test wheel were made, and we could see it on a car, people would start to get excited, and be more likely to commit.

But with the high startup cost to make the first wheel, we will be lucky to see it ever happen.

But maybe, just maybe, we could save on those startup costs if there were a few experts in our forum community who would be prepared to donate some of their time to the project.

As an example, someone on here might be a expert in 3D cad. Someone else might be able to take that design and have it CNC machined...

Unfortunately, I am no expert in these fields. But if I were, I would happliy donate some time to this project.

[RedP85]

spud, somebody beat u at the member number.
I see 52 when pointing at your avatar.

[ABQMK2]

Im down with the centers only as my next setup will be 17X8@0 and 18x10@0

FTW
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a33/mkii85supra/DavesPhotoChop.jpg


WOW!..good job Dave, those look HAWT!...I'd been in for 2 set of those if it could work in 17"s...dreaming here i guess.

[zank]

I say we go 18's

GG bawler status
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y156/zank/School%20shit/MikesNewWheelsdropped.jpg

just came across an old pic in my photobucket account ;)

[Sambone]

I would buy some...

http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o465/DDTTS/DIY%20MODS/17insupra.jpg

http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o465/DDTTS/supra17.jpg

[ra24man]

That looks HAWT! ^^

[RedP85]

Both pattern is all of a suddent wider...

yes would look awesome :hail::hail:

:faint:

[Sambone]

Both pattern is all of a suddent wider...

yes would look awesome :hail::hail:

:faint:

Picky, picky....lol


http://i343.photobucket.com/albums/o465/DDTTS/picky17.jpg