centerline wheels and balancing issues

[dmlsupra]

For those that have centerline wheels, does anyone of you had balancing issues?

I got my wheels yesterday and I was just told this morning that 3 of the 4 wheels needed over 5oz of wait to balance them.. obviously, that's a lot.

wheels are 17x8 and 17x9.5, 0 offset all around.

[rsdeo]

Were they balanced on the car? If so, are they mounted properly? You might want to invest in four hub centric rings and go from there. Or balance them off the car.

[dmlsupra]

at this point, I didn't install them on the car, and they were balance of the car. I can't see how the garage could screw the installation...

[rsdeo]

Did they put the weights on the inside of the wheels only to hide them? This may be why. You could go back and remount the tyres rotated in different spots. That might help.

[Yotaholic]

I've had mine rebalanced 3 times ! I'll take a look and let you know how much weight was required that last time around. I think it comes down to the installer in my case. They really need to clean the wheel before they stick the weights on :rolleyes:

[Supra GTR]

Like Raj said, have them remount the tire in a different location. Sometimes the weight of the tire combined with the wheel really requires more weight to balance. Sometimes you can get near zero if you remount the tire.

On another note, for those that are "chasing weights" where the tire never balances on the machine and you keep changing the weight, make sure you don't have water in the tires. This can be caused by using that nasty tire inflator in a can. (Never ever use this stuff: It will corrode your wheels!)

[jrok]

there are static and dynamic, a static balance is ok on a rear tire cause its balanced on 1 plain, but on the front or if you rotate your tires make sure you get a dynamic balance its on 2 plains. either weights on the inside and outside, or sticky weights on the inside and in behind the wheel face which may cause it to have alot of weight that is ok. try driving it and see if they are out!!!!!

[kdsii]

I've had similar issues with deep lip rims (low offset like we have on the MkIIs).

The tire shop has two choices:
- put weights on both inner and outer lips - which doesn't look good on nice rims
- keep all the weights on the backside of the rims - this keeps the weights out of view, but can require larger weights because the distance from the center isn't as great (i.e. less leverage for the outboard weights, so they have to be bigger)

The first option requires smaller weights, but doesn't look as nice. The second option gives a much better wheel apperance, but may require larger weights.

I opted for larger weights on my SSRs. :)

No weights visible:

http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u152/kds-ii/wheels/DSC_0081.jpg

photo courtesy of Greg G - from a NE Meet thread :thumbsup:

[dmlsupra]

I just went to the shop to take a look at it, when we put it on the machine, we can see the wheels moving sideways... it's not the tires, but really the wheels that does that... is that normal if it has been correctly balance?

[kdsii]

sounds like a bent rim to me

[dmlsupra]

sounds like a bent rim to me


wheels are brand new and 3 out of 4 seems to have that problem.

[83restomod]

I just went to the shop to take a look at it, when we put it on the machine, we can see the wheels moving sideways... it's not the tires, but really the wheels that does that... is that normal if it has been correctly balance?

could be the guy working the balance machine. ud be surprised how many guys dont use the right cone(s) to center the wheel.

with all these issues on brand new wheels from a pretty good company i would go to a different shop. have them dismount, then remount and balance your rims/tires.

[84ptype]

^^^ Very True.

Youd be amazed at what the wrong cone would do to balancing a wheel...and amazed at how many people cant set them up right.

[RedP85]

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[2T82]

Agreed. Even brand-new wheels at work require less than 3oz. of total weight, even on 22" Deep-dish rims, dynamically balanced.

[2T82]

could be the guy working the balance machine. ud be surprised how many guys dont use the right cone(s) to center the wheel.

with all these issues on brand new wheels from a pretty good company i would go to a different shop. have them dismount, then remount and balance your rims/tires.

Another option would be to have it finger-balanced! That usually works pretty good, and then you don't have issues with using the wrong cone on the rim. And the only way they can screw that up is if it's a multi-drilled rim, and they put the fingers in the wrong drill pattern.

[dmlsupra]

Another option would be to have it finger-balanced! That usually works pretty good, and then you don't have issues with using the wrong cone on the rim. And the only way they can screw that up is if it's a multi-drilled rim, and they put the fingers in the wrong drill pattern.

How do you choose the right cone?? And when you say multi drill, I assume you mean more then one bolt pattern?

Jocelyn, I'll try my luck at FCP monday or tuesday.

[2T82]

How do you choose the right cone?? And when you say multi drill, I assume you mean more then one bolt pattern?

Jocelyn, I'll try my luck at FCP monday or tuesday.

I'll start off with this. These are a set of basic cones for a Hunter balancer, along with their sizes.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f295/Beefdip/A3203T_39.jpg

A. 192-86-2 1.69" - 2.56" (43 mm-65 mm)

B.192-87-2 2.41" - 3.10" (61 mm-79 mm)

C.192-88-2 2.94" - 3.63" (75 mm-92 mm)

D.192-89-2 3.45" - 5.18" (88 mm-132 mm)

If you have a wheel with a hub bore of 77.89mm, and you use cone B, you will have a larger amount of the cone inside the actual hub, which will even it out more. If you use cone C, then it is only on the cone by a couple millimeters, and it's going to be much harder/nigh impossible to balance out properly.

This is a finger balancer. The 'fingers' fit into the lug nut holes. For multi-drilled rims, this is generally the best way, as you balance the wheel to a bolt pattern, so it's going to be a better balance, than just roughly balancing it for two different bolt patterns.


This is a multi-drilled wheel. It's been drilled out for two different bolt patterns.
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f295/Beefdip/pd8-wsrg11.jpg

[dmlsupra]

that's good infomartions!

My centerlines have a multi drilled pattern and hub bore is about 80mm, so I guess C would be the correct cone.

[2T82]

That's just if they're using that particular set of cones for a Hunter. I still recommend getting them finger balanced.

[dmlsupra]

Ok, this morning, I took them again to get them finger balance, and they still required over 5oz of weight...

Also, one of the wheels was leaking air where the weld was done!!!! And weld don't look that good either.

We also tried one without the tires, and even if it didn't required much weight, it was still waiving left to right... I don't consider myself an expert, but I'm pretty sure this shouldn't be that way....

[Malloy]

In for pics ;)

[dmlsupra]

In for pics ;)

I tried to take pic, but I only have my cell phone to do so, and we dont see much on it..

They just spoke with centerline and they claim that the outer lip could waive on the balancer, but they make sure where the tire sit, it's supposed to be straight. I will take them to a repair shop so they can take a look at them before I have them ship back...

[dmlsupra]

So I Brought the wheels to local shop that fix bent wheels. They inspected them and 1 wheel is leaking air, and it will be fix by centerline, 1 has a slight imperfection, but so minor that we shouldn't worry about it and the 2 other ones are perfect. They used less then 5-6 weight on each wheel, compare to 21-27 by the previous shop!!!!

So, it's really the installer who screw up the installation, they tried twice, 3 guys worked on the installation... and they were not able to get it right... I'll go get my $$ back for sure.